Hollywood puffy boy and mediocre actor Carlos Estevez aka Charlie Sheen is set to narrate a new release of the conspiracy theory internet movie Loose Change. As most of you probably know, Loose Change is an extreme left-wing movie that presents a lot of made up ‘facts’ to prove the American government is really responsible for the attacks of September 11, 2001.
Sheen is calling for a new independent probe into the 9/11 attacks.
From the New York Post, Page Six
March 22, 2007 — SOME celebrities don’t know when to keep their traps shut - like Charlie Sheen and Rosie O’Donnell, who are throwing their weight behind the twisted theory that the United States government was behind the 9/11 terror attacks.
Page Six has learned that Sheen, the hooker-loving Hollywood hunk, has agreed to narrate a new version of the loopy YouTube documentary “Loose Change,” which claims that a corrupt faction within the federal government orchestrated the mass murder at the World Trade Center.
Sources say Sheen - whose father, Martin Sheen, has been arrested 63 times protesting on behalf of various leftist causes - is in talks with Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban’s Magnolia Pictures to distribute “Loose Change.” Sheen has called for a new independent probe of the attack, telling Alex Jones’ radio show: “It seems to me like 19 amateurs with box cutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75 percent of their targets, that feels like a conspiracy theory. It raises a lot of questions.”
Sheen’s rep confirmed his participation. Cuban e-mailed us: “We are having discussions about distributing the existing video with Charlie’s involvement as a narrator, not in making a new feature. We are also looking for productions with an opposing viewpoint. We like controversial subjects, but we are agnostic to which side the controversy comes from.”
Meanwhile, on her blog, O’Donnell has pasted in a widely debunked rundown of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center from the whatreallyhappened.com Web site, created by conspiracy theorist Matt Rivero.
O’Donnell repeats his discredited theories, which include the notion that because the fires were not evenly distributed, it made the building’s perfect collapse into its footprint “impossible that landlord Larry Silverstein told the FDNY that “the smartest thing to do is pull it,” a phrase conspiracy theorists take to mean that he ordered the skyscraper’s destruction; and that firefighters withdrawing from the building feared it was going to “blow up.”
O’Donnell’s rep declined comment.
Rosie is in on this too??? Well, that gives it credibility!! HA!
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Loose Change is NOT “extreme left wing”. Give me a break. This blog is a joke and I’ve only read the first paragraph! LOL
Ronald Reagan’s chief economists Paul Craig Roberts backs the 9/11 Truth Movement. I guess he’s from the “left” too?
9/11 is actually fairly complicated, you can’t dismiss it with a simple: “Ha ha, you still believe in the hijackers?!?”
and you can’t get away with simply accepting the official story either.
So at this point one has to construct both scenarios in his mind, just in case one is true.
On the conspiracy side, I am most comfortable with the Gerard Holmgren theory,
which states that no passenger planes hit anything on September 11.
A highly interesting proposition that I recommend people take a look at.
And for the Loose Change crowd, I point to audio tapes by Shaykh Osama bin Laden (hafidhahullah) where he claims responsibility for the attack.
The last one released 1 year ago, during the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui (Zakaria Musawi).
On this tape, Osama clarifies that Moussaoui never was the 20th hijacker, and he knows because he personally selected the teams.
Beth - The Demlibloonies like Sheen, Jihad Joe and Jaguar BS
are fortunate that they’re not in China, Cuba, North Korea, Russia or a Muslim nation for they would be taken into custody, tortured and executed. Our freedom and the blood of liberty allows these scum-bags to get away with treasonous first amendment rights during a time of war! Don’t let these defeatist demons ruin your day for their sick replies are equal to the scum in my porcelain toilet. As for Dallas Mavs NBA owner Cuban - whose financed this dispicable treasonous movie, I pray the Dallas fans and patriotic Texans boycott his NBA team from now on. He can relocate to a blue state of socialism! God bless you Beth and the patriots in our 31 Red States of America. Now Joe and Jaguar can both go back to bed! PS: They had the gall to market an assassination movie of Bush #43 getting killed as well…Boycott Hollywood!
I’m a sucker for believing what is printed is true, conspiracy theory or otherwise. I’ve finally learned to look at all angles of a situation. I still don’t know what to believe. I don’t want to believe in the conspiracy theories but I also believe that the published press, TV journal shows etc. are not all that objective either. They’re all about money and ratings. It makes me want to stay in my own little world so I don’t have to deal with any of it.
Well, you are obviously much smarter than Mark Cuban.
So explain to us how a plane can fly so low that it clips light poles (the alleged Pentagon flight),
and then hit the Pentagon (a low building) without touching the lawn.
Is that because the pilot “couldn’t fly at all” according to flight instructor #1,
and “I couldn’t believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had,” according to instructor #2.
Jaguar BS - I only have 5,000 flight hours in war and peace so go back to your Kool Aid buddy! Hijacked American Airline Flight 77 - piloted by US Navy Gulf War vet Chick Burlingham - was supposed to hit the Pentagon dead on but fortunately BOUNCED into the west wing - penetrating the E - D and C rings. The Islamomaniac pilot failed for NOT making a direct central hit scum-bag. Yes, sadly 125 US military personnel and civilians were killed, but these amateur ‘terrorist pilots’
only knew how to steer the aircraft if you’ve READ the 9-11 Report. United Flight 93’s Islamomaniacs also failed in their mission thanks to Todd Beamer’s patriots on board! They did not hit the US Capitol or White House. And I thought liberals were supposed to be knowledgeable? Back to your Kool Ade
you UNAMERICAN disgrace. Jesus called your ilk out when he hung on His cross and said, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do!” Happy Easter Beth and GOD, not Allah, bless US and deliver US from evil, the devil and liberal Demlibloonies!
” extreme left-wing movie”? You must be a Fox News fan.
Be sure not to discuss the Senior Military, Intelligence, Law Enforcement, Government Officials, Professors, 9/11 Survivors and Family Members who have expressed significant criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report and/or allege government complicity in 9/11 which may be found here:
http://www.patriotquestions911_.com/
Oh puleeze!
“The fact that Dylan, his friends, and family are alive, is proof that “Loose Change” is bullshit. He, along with a couple of his friends, created a 9/11 conspiracy video claiming that the US government and the military caused 9/11. Take a closer look at the last part of that last sentence: he’s claiming that the US government, for whatever ends, killed nearly 3,000 innocent Americans, and tens if not hundreds of thousands of more lives in the conflicts that ensued because of it.
Since Dylan’s arguing that the government has no problem killing 3,000 innocent people, this raises the question: if his documentary is true, and we’ve established that the government has no ethical qualms about killing thousands of its own people, then why wouldn’t the government kill Avery and his friends as well? What’s a few more lives to them to ensure the success of this conspiracy?
Whatever reason it may be that the government supposedly orchestrated this conspiracy, it must have been worth it to them to cause so much suffering and loss of life. So if there’s any truth to this, then you can bet your ass that the government wouldn’t let a couple of pecker-neck chumps with a couple of Macs and too much time on their hands jeopardise their entire operation by letting this stupid video float around on the Internet. I can picture you morons emailing me now: “BUT MADOX, MAYBE DYLAN POSTED IT ON THE INTERNET BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT HAD A CHANCE TO REMOVE IT LOL.” Yeah, too bad this rebuttal is inconsistent with the premise of Dylan’s shit-festival of a movie: that the WTC was brought down “in a carefully planned and controlled demolition … and it was pulled off with military precision.” Now we’re expected to believe that the same government that was able to commit the largest terrorist operation in history–with military precision no less–is suddenly too incompetent to sniff out and shut down a little website set up by some college losers within days, if not minutes of its creation? The US government has the capability to monitor every electronic communication made anywhere in the world, yet we’re expected to believe that they wouldn’t be able to nix this kid long before his video ever became popular?”
The above is from Maddox… There is no 9/11 Conspiracy You Morons.
HA! Reading these morons’ deranged nonsense is like being bukkaked with stupid! (also thx to Maddox) They LOVE to leave their little “truthy” links, too, like because it’s on teh intarweb it’s TRUE!!!
BTW, Jaguar, EVERYONE who sees 9/11 conspiracies as the insane fantasies of morons and/or lunatics IS smarter than Mark Cuban! I guess you think that because the dude’s got a little money that means he’s a genius, huh? (Explain Britney Spears by that logic, please.)
Look, morons, you want to force everyone to read the “evidence.” Have YOU even read the evidence debunking your fantasies? You seem to think that if we just SEE it, we’ll believe it. Wrong. Millions have seen it and decided (probably most while laughing) that it’s yet another crackpot theory dreamed up by the mentally ill idiots that were once locked up in institutions, but now have the freedom to annoy everyone. How’s it feel to be the laughingstocks of America?
And no, it’s not just the left. I don’t care if some Reagan economist believes it, either (we aren’t all sheep like you people, after all). Anyone who buys this shit is clearly mentally ill. You really should get that checked out by your shrink, you know. That is, unless you think psychiatrists are all controlled by the Illuminati or shape-shifting lizards or paid by the gubmint, that is. (eyeroll)
Some day, if you’re lucky and don’t kill yourselves because of your paranoid insanity, you’ll look back and lament the years you lost to your fears and paranoia. I pity you assholes. Or I would, if I didn’t despise stupidity so much.
Wait, here’s something to frighten you infants:
DICK CHENEY FOR PRESIDENT! CHENEY 2008! CHENEY-WOLFOWITZ 2008!
hahahahaha!!!
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Stinker (how appropriate):
WAAAHHH! Maybe she did it because everyone on the internets knows how you freaks spam those links EVERYWHERE. It’s not like everyone with eyes hasn’t seen all those godforsaken links already!
Besides, why should she (or anyone else) help you boost the Google rankings any more than she’d allow any other spammer to do it?
Learn some manners and get your own fucking blog if you feel you must shove links on everyone. Loser.
(Has it ever occurred to you that if your stupid theories had any credibility, you wouldn’t HAVE to spam them everywhere?)
P.S. Fuck you.
I heard this but was too sickened by it to post it Beth!…thanks for the link hun and have a great weekend!
Good on you, Charlie! I’m backing people like you and Alex Jones all the way. One thing I must say is you really opened up a can of worms, well I think I might open it up a little wider. The U.S., according to Bible, is the image to the Beast, and also the lamb like beast with 2 horns and that would speak like a dragon. Well America is certainy speaking like a dragon now. And the Beast is non other than the Catholic church. Freemasonry is the protestant arm of the Papacy and then you’ve got the SS of the Vatican, the Jesuits. Isn’t it interesting that Pope Benerdict was part of Hitler’s youth, and that John Paul 2 when he was young, used to sell cynide to the Nazi’s to exterminate the Jews. And isn’t it interesting that the white Pope, Benerdict, and the black Pope, Peter-Hans Kolvenbach (the present Black Pope-Supreme Jesuit General, the most powerful man on earth under Lucifer - yet so secret that even many Catholics don’t know that he exists.) are both German, and Hitler’s only daughter, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, is in the same position and has the same ideas as Hitler did when he was in power. -Sorcha faal, Jan. 7, 2007. In a sense we have Germany ruling the world again. Most of the new papal advisers are also German. Why is Bush and the last Pope sitting under a picture of Ignatius Loyola -the first great Jesuit, accepting his commision.”xxxxxxx Bush is quoted part of his speech when he said, “The best way to honor John Paul - truly one of the great men, is to take his teachings seriously, to listen to his words, and put his words into action here in America.This is a challenge we must accept.” article from ABC News Oct 18, 06. And when in all the history of America did 3 masonic US Presidents bow the knee to a dead Pope? why is Bush so appt and in a hurry to follow Rome when he himself is a Methadist, a protestant. A Protestant is called Protestant because in the Reformation they protested against the pagan morals and dogmas of Rome. Show me from the Bible and from history where I am wrong if you don’t agree with what I have said!
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Wingman Crusader to Beth… DO NOT engage the following
Demliblooney target … + jasmine + … ! Liberals are like spoiled little children for at times they make things up and then want attention and eventually rant on and cry!
Jasmine, or what ever it is, blasphemes the Holy Bible in the same argument with a Harry Potter website! This pathetic Daughter of Darkness goes on to equate the Waffen SS Death Camp personnel with Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger - Benedict XVI! Evil is evil and with a crescent moom out this morning, the Uranus Bats are loose!
Ignore the Demlibloonies for they’re not worth a reply.
- Death Star II
PS: If jasmine is a Catholic, then God help her! If you give yourself to Jesus Christ and read the Holy Bible as God’s word, you’d REALIZE Harry Potter websites and books are witchcraft pure and simple. So are fortune telling, horrorscopes, Ouija boards, the occult, etc. If jasmine is a Christian - this ‘person’ is pure evil! You truly are bringing out the Moon Bats this week Beth! Happy Holy Week and Easter!!
You truly are bringing out the Moon Bats this week Beth!
BSC: No kidding!! I was just thinking the same thing. I’m not at all sure where they are all coming from. I think the are attracted to the Charlie Sheen/Truthies stuff. That gives you a good idea of what type of people follow those conspiracy theories.
Allegedly there were 4 passenger aircraft, but in fact most people have seen just 1.
All those planes hitting from different angles on TV
show just 1 plane (South Tower).
As this was shown a million times from different sides, some people are under the false impression that the footage contained more than 1 jetliner
Anyways. I am just excited that Beth used the term bukkake
LOL. I guess Jaguar wasn’t watching the news live that Tuesday morning.
That’s your first failure of logic. Everyone else WATCHED the second plane hit while the first tower was already burning.
Why am I even bothering with this? Seriously, you can’t teach smart. There is no stupid conspiracy, and if you’re too stupid to understand it, there’s no point even debating it–you’re only worthy of derision.
BSC: You’re right - it’s a waste of typing!
Repying to dartherUS, I was not talking about Harry Potter, I was talking about Henry Potter This book was compiled by a Christian to counteract the Harry Potter books. I believe that the Harry Potter books are satanic and inspired by the devil himself. I do not believe that anyone should read them as it gives the reader a taste for the satanic. I don’t blaspheme the Bible and you are using the Harry Potter excuse to disregard what I am saying. I f you did some deep bible study and asked God sincerely to show you if what I am saying is right or wrong then you are in a position to comment. Regards Jasmine
Give it a rest, Jaguar. There was no conspiracy, there was nothing funny going on. Drop your insane leftism and join us here in the real world.
BSC: I think it makes them feel less scared if they can convince themselves it’s us instead of them that are the bad guys. If we are the bad guys they are pretty safe and the world isn’t such a scary place. I don’t know - do you think they are too far gone? I think maybe these are.
WT Blackbeard and Beth - If you’re in the Death Star II neighborhood, Frau Vader will make us a German dinner, and I’ll break out the 9-11-01 VCR Tapes that I recorded in September 2001. Don’t tell Jaguar BS, but I’ll show you the CBS television special from a French news crew that was filming NYC firefighters in downtown Manhattan for one of their firefighter documentaries that actually shows American Airline Flight 11 (Mohamad Atta) flying over them and directly INTO the WTC North Tower! It’s OUR secret, but please don’t tell Jaguar about it. As for Celestial Moon Unit Jasmine - I don’t think Pope Benedict XVI will ever hear her CONFESSIONS! Ignore the Vagina Monologue Children of the Corny Beth! I feel sorry for her type and for her parents as well. We raise ours differently - with God, Family and Country in our hearts, souls and minds. God bless and go to bed early Jasmine for you’re GROUNDED and no FRUIT CUP for dessert. You’re excused! Jasmine should be seen and not heard? WT - have a great conservative Carolina week and sorry about G’town’s victory over NC buddy.
Notice how they attack charlie sheen’s character in the artical rather than argue the theories presented. “the hooker-loving Hollywood hunk”…this is used by all of western media as a way to discredit the individual so that what he/she says is discredited as well before it can ever be discussed. I find it very strange that 911 truth seekers are the ones begging for open rational debate while every media outlet in the US and UK would rather not discuss the topic, and when they do it is purely fueled by immature, childish name-calling. It can be quite scary when CNN and FOX News agree on something.
I have seen the pictures of the damages done to the pentagon. I saw them the day this accident happened. I guess I am a little confused……..I work for an airline, I have been to crash sights of airlines….what I cant figure out is, why was there tail, or wings on the ground after the impact?
Why was there not a bigger explosion? With as much fuel as was on the plane, there should have been more damage. The cars on the freeway should have been rumbled……
If you take a look at what happened at the Oklahoma City Bombing incident, buildings miles away had their windows blasted out….why didnt the stores across the street have any damage at all?
I saw a hole. I saw a small hole. nothing like a huge airliner would have made. To me it looks like damage a missle may cause.
I am not an expert by any means. It just seems strange that there was no airplane around after the damages to the pentagon occured.
Well, I dont know what happened except a lot of people died that day. But the question is…..if the plane didnt hit the pentagon……where are all the passengers on the plane?
According to an investigator from the the National Science Foundation, who examined and tested steel samples from WTC Building #7, the samples had “evaporated” and appeared “paper thin”. He equated the appearance of the steel to that of ice as it melts to paper thin thickness during a Spring thaw. He found this to be incredible and had no explanation for it. He stated that the investigation of what caused this steel to “evaporate” is very important to the engineering profession. (October 16, 2001). Also, NIST had hired a private contractor to examine the collapse of Building 7. This has yet to be completed. Why is this so controversial? Why did that guy from the Partidge Family (Danny)insist that Rosie should be hanged by the neck until she be dead for speaking of the collapse of building 7, among other issues?
The cause of the collapse of building 7 is important enough that OUR taxpayer dollars are being paid to NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) now (March 31, 2007) in order to examine the collapse, so any questions regarding the collapse ARE legitimate, aren’t they?
“the loopy YouTube documentary “Loose Change,â€Â???????
Why is it “loopy”? Because you haven’t seen it and you’re going by what you heard?…If you saw it, you wouldn’t say it….On top of that, how much credibility can go to someone who uses the word “loopy”? Thanks gramps!
The truth is coming out and it’s going to be great to sit back and watch you idiots cry about how you were lied to by the government….the truth will come out!
BSC: It must be terrible to be as scared as you obviously are.
BTW, I quoted Page Six that used the word ‘loopy’. A quote is when you take something some one else writes and use that to make a point. Quotes are identified and credit given to the original author. I’ve never been prone to use the word ‘loopy’, but it seems like a perfectly good word to me. It certainly conveys the point that the author of that piece was trying to make. Do you have something against ‘loopy’ as a word?
WOW…My question is does it really matter if you’re “left-wing” or “right-wing”? The facts of 9/11…no matter which theory you believe in…are definitely sketchy. Maybe Dylan’ theory isn’t 100%, but do you honestly believe everything the government says is true? Part of our rights as American citizens is the right to question our government and receive REAL answers. Has anyone noticed the lack of REAL answers here?
Like stated above many people (smart people too) question the events of that day. I myself believe that our government is no different than any other - they are all run but “men” (by men I mean human beings). Men are bith good and evil by nature. Our govenment is full of very powerful, rich people that some of which are definitively known to have suspicious connections. We would be stupid to not question this? Even if it turns out the whole truth was told to us. Because it is our RIGHT as Americans. To the above idiot talking about how they’re lucky they don’t live in China…You are not very smart, and for that I pity you. But it must be nice to live in a world so easy and non-questioning of the world around you. Maybe YOU should pack up and move to one of the countries you mentioned. You obviously do not believe in excercising your American rights; (except to talk nonsense), so do us all a favor and get on the soonest flight out of our country.
Dani
LINDASOG, you are so unaware.
If the government killed the film makers that would jepordize their plan more so than not killing them. Let them make these films, lots of people will that is a understood reprocusion of any mission. it MAY cause doubt, but thats it.
If you go deeper into Free Maysons and the illuminati, this is highly possible.
Im not saying it is but do not be ignorant, be open.
the biggest money wheel for the US is the US military.
It both creates $$ as well as protects it. ill stop here. but the governement likes people as yourself.
I love our government, but i still keep a watchful eye on it, you should too.
Ya know, when I watched the film…it was split into 3 parts. I was really hanging on to parts 1 and 2…but when it got to part 3 I was feeling it to be bogus…atleast those parts. I think he has alot of gall to say that the cell phone calls were bogus. To even say that, that is harsh. There are families who talked with their spouses, kids, brothers/sisters on flight 93, and for that film to say those calls were not real…that is just awful! That is the main thing that urked me the most.
people!,if loose change 911 werent real facts would they still be able to be published? c mon, belive it,our government screwed us this time and let us not forget about the JFK theory.
Its no secret the republicans will never admit their beloved government is secretly involved with 9/11. And they sill believe we are at war looking for WMD’s. Maybe if any of them watched something other than Fox News and read a newspaper that was actually from an important city (aka New York, Washington, Boston, LA). Who cares that Dick Chaney’s Haliburton is contracted to rebuild Afghanistan and the Bush’s oil buddies are “protecting” Iraq’s oil. For some reason, republicans probably still blame Clinton for it. Maybe some good can come from this, like lower gas prices? I hope the lives of soldiers and trillions of dollars is worth it. I drive an H2!
It amazes me how the ones who speak out against the war…are not the ones who are FIGHTING it.
If you talk to the soldiers who are seeing the actual things going on where they are….and not the people who are just seeing what is on the news…there are many of them signing up to go back over when they have come back home. They see that something needs to be done. There are innocents needing help from those who are willing to give it.
I feel that any of us who are not fighting should NOT be the ones complaining.
The New York Post promoted conspiracy theories when they involved Bill and Hillary Clinton, as with the Vince Foster case. The New York Post hired the CIA-connected reporter Christopher Ruddy to investigate Vince Foster’s suicide. Ruddy went about his work by spewing a disinformation and conspiracy tale that the suicide was really a homicide and that Bill and Hillary Clinton were behind it. It seems that the only conspiracy theories that the propagandists at the New York Post are interested in debunking are left-wing conspiracy theories.
A simple question that I dont see being asked enough…at all in fact! If the American government is sticking to the story that Bin Laden did it, then where is the day by day media news coverage of him being tracked down for the crimes of murder against American people? WOW! its been years now and still nothing? I certainly remember the minute by minute account of Sadam’s man hunt..for crimes against his own people as it turns out….oh and the wonderful updates on his court case…ahh yes and
the hanging…good t.v, thats all I want, good T.V, where’s OSAMA man!?
So lets say for arguements sake that I think that the loose change doc is a load of rubbish and that the Governement cares too much about its people to do commit such a vulgar act upon itself. Then where is its will to act upon serving justice to the Muderer? This kind of makes every bit of this debate about this conspiracy redundant, doesnt it? If you dont care enough to investigate the murder of your people then you are certainly capable of killing your own. If you are of the opinion that loose change is a farce, thats fine, but it seems that something is only a conspiricy if most people believe it to be. Get the film out there, let everyone see it…and then make there own a judgement, diffuse the smoke screen of paranoid collective thought which, coupled with misuse of patriotism, seems to be America’s most dangerous weapon of control.
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Wow I learned so much from your article there. I learned that Martin Sheen ‘loves’ hookers as opposed to having merely been caught with them(?) That his father has been arrested 63 times for protesting (evil that it is) and that this obviously means that his son is exactly the same in every way. Also his real name. Wow… He even SOUNDS unAmerican. Thanks Beth I don’t even need to think for myself now. The foreign leftie (because 911 questions are left wing, right?) ‘loopy’ film has Carlos on board, that’s enough for me. As for Rosie, I bet she thought about the existance of god on at least one occasion. Evil too. I’m so glad that I have you here to guide us. Thanks again Beth. Byyeee!!