Environmentalists have been caught red-handed AstroTurfing outrage over the Pebble Mine project. I guess its just not that easy to get the masses stirred up over their cause, so the environmentalists have stooped to paying people to support their cause – if only on paper.
The Save Bristol Bay Road Show is offering a chance to win some great prizes in exchange for signing a letter in support of stopping the Pebble Mine project in Alaska. The letters, to Washington Senators Maria Cantwell and Patty Murray, are literally the raffle tickets for the prizes! You can see their Facebook page here.
The growing sign-to-win controversy draws into question the legitimacy of any outrage over the opposition to the Pebble Mine project. If not illegal, it is certainly ethically questionable.
Interestingly, the sign-to-win dog and pony show is being funded by Robert Gillam, CEO of McKinley Capital Management. Why is the richest man in Alaska funding opposition to mining in Alaska? What dog does he have in this race? It makes me wonder if the #OWS types are just being used to advance the interests of the 1%.
Here is more info on the growing ‘sign-to-win’ controversy at the Save Bristol Bay Road Show.
What a SCAM ……
It’s not a scam to protect the environment.
They’re not protecting the environment.
They just suffered a ruling where the Judge basically said they were a bunch of full o sht anti capitalist anarchists.
Here we go…
“Superior Court Judge Eric Aarseth has ruled against the environmentalists who have been aggressively attempting to prevent the Pebble Mine Project from proceeding. In his ruling he states:
“…[T]here is no evidence that Pebble’s exploration activities are now causing or will in the future cause permanent and deleterious changes to the environment. Indeed, Plaintiffs have failed to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that any long-term and harmful environmental impacts have actually occurred or necessarily will occur at the project site or surrounding environment.
The evidence shows that more than 20 years after minerals were first discovered at Pebble, the site continues to have pristine water and support wildlife and fisheries resources. The harms that Plaintiffs’ witnesses describe are speculative; they are neither harms occurring in fact nor did they show that the harm will necessarily occur.”
“[T]here is no evidence that Pebble’s exploration activities are now causing or will in the future cause permanent and deleterious changes to the environment.”
No surprise there. Exploration is a whole lot different from full scale mining. Google some pictures and other information from copper mining. Learn something, (If that is possible).
Its the “exploration” they’re bitching about, in addition, they’ve already been exploring there for 20 years.
The “exploration” involves re-enactment of actual mining procedures to which was ruled …
“wouldn’t, in fact, pollute waterways. They cite a Superior Court judge’s ruling last month that discounted concerns about acid rock drainage and purported problems with ground and surface water. The court concluded that years of exploratory operations so far have caused no significant environmental problems.”
Learn to read for “context” and then you’ll really be learning
A little cursory tour and, ooop ! Whats this ?
Environmentalists’ Attempts to Hinder Economic Growth Set Back By Judge’s Ruling
September 29, 2011
By Lonely Conservative 2 comments
The following is a guest post by Beth Shaw.
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The environmentalists lose a bid to preemptively prevent American energy independence this week! Superior Court Judge Eric Aarseth ruled in favor of the Pebble Mine Project in Alaska with a 154-page ruling that the environmentalists have not proven their case and the exploration of the copper mine site had not had a negative impact on the environment in any way.
Superior Court Judge Eric Aarseth delivered a major blow to the environmental activists who have been using regulations lawsuits and billions of dollars to prevent the Pebble Mine Project in Alaska from helping to provide American energy independence. Judge Aarseth handed down a 154-page ruling in favor of Alaska in the most recent lawsuit aimed at preventing the Pebble Mine Project from even being able to begin the permit process.
Pebble Mine is one of the largest copper deposits in the world. It is in the United States and could release us from our dependence on buying copper from China, which provides 97% of the copper used in the world.
The environmentalist have argued that the Pebble Mine MIGHT impact salmon in Bristol Bay, Alaska, even though the mine is over 200 miles north of the area.
The judge ruled that evidence “did not support the plaintiffs’ claims that mineral exploration activities in the Pebble Project area were significantly impacting or causing long term harm to concurrent uses.”
In his ruling, Judge Aarseth wrote:
“…[T]here is no evidence that Pebble’s exploration activities are now causing or will in the future cause permanent and deleterious changes to the environment. Indeed, Plaintiffs have failed to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that any long-term and harmful environmental impacts have actually occurred or necessarily will occur at the project site or surrounding environment.
The evidence shows that more than 20 years after minerals were first discovered at Pebble, the site continues to have pristine water and support wildlife and fisheries resources. The harms that Plaintiffs’ witnesses describe are speculative; they are neither harms occurring in fact nor did they show that the harm will necessarily occur.”
In other words, the environmentalists hysterical claims are hogwash.
While this ruling is a significant win for the goal of American energy Independence, it is not the end of the issue. Environmental groups have aggressively fought the Pebble Mine Project for years. This particular lawsuit has been ongoing since 2009. Since Judge Aarseth’s ruling, they say they are taking the case to the Supreme Court.
In order to keep this positive momentum going we must make sure we stay attentive and make sure that our voices continue to get heard. Big green has big bucks and are on a mission to stop the U.S. from extracting the copper in Southwest Alaska. U.S. Senator Maria Cantwell has attempted to preemptively prevent the permit process from moving forward. Federal agencies such as The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) have used regulations to stall the Pebble Mine Project from even beginning the permit process for years.
The environmentalists are keeping a close watch on the Twitter hash-tag #GivePebbleAChance and using that to troll sites that refer to this project and leave cut and paste comments promoting their propaganda that has no foundation in scientific evidence….
….continued at link on following post
http://lonelyconservative.com/2011/09/environmentalists-attempts-to-hinder-economic-growth-set-back-by-judges-ruling/
Also, in PDF
http://envstudies.brown.edu/theses/archive20072008/VernerWilsonThesis.pdf
“Bristol Bay, Alaska is home to the largest sockeye salmon fishery in the world
1
.
As a result, the area is very important to the local indigenous peoples, Yup’ik Eskimo’s,
Denaina Athabascans, Aleuts and Alutiiqs who have lived in the area for thousands of
years and continue to depend on the bay’s renewable resources for subsistence, lifestyle
and commercial uses. In 1986, a mining conglomerate that calls itself the Pebble
Partnership began to discover the minerals in what today is expected to be the largest
copper and second largest gold mine deposits in North America, and possibly one of the
largest in the world. This paper analyzes whether The Pebble Partnership and
government regulatory regimes are properly addressing the environmental health and
justice concerns of the indigenous peoples of Bristol Bay, including potential impacts of
mining operations on air and water quality, water supply, aquatic life and the welfare of
the indigenous people. Further, this paper analyzes whether stakeholders and the media
are considering indigenous concerns. I conclude that environmental justice concerns are
largely being met by the Pebble Partnership as well as by the federal, state and local
agencies responsible for permitting. “…..
(This research is almost 4 years old)
Theres more, heres just a taste.
“Methods
To answer these questions, I conducted a media analysis of Anchorage Daily
News articles focusing on the Pebble Mine since July 20, 2004. The Anchorage Daily
News is Alaska’s largest and only statewide newspaper, read by over 171,000 people
throughout the state each day
2
. It is read by voters, lawmakers and others who are
stakeholders or potential stakeholders in the Pebble Mine debate. This analysis was used
to see how each of the potential stakeholders is being covered in the outlet, and to
analyze how the issue is being framed by the state media. Mostly, I wanted to see if
indigenous concerns were being covered. I analyzed the newspaper for articles that
covered the Pebble Mine’s potential impacts on subsistence resources, wildlife and
drinking water resources, and potential socioeconomic impacts on the local indigenous
population such as job opportunities and revenue issues.
2
“Anchorage Daily News.” 2008. The McClatchy Company. February 12, 2008.
4
I also evaluated the regulatory and permitting processes of the Federal, State, and
Local governments. This was done by looking at the different permits and approvals that
the Pebble Partnership has to obtain from the various agencies and departments of the
three levels of government through a wide variety of environmental and safety laws.
Specifically, I analyzed if these permits and approvals would strive to protect the
resources that Bristol Bay indigenous people depend on to continue their cultural
traditions and subsistence livelihoods.
I also evaluated the environmental compliance and human rights records for each
of the mining companies involved with the Pebble Partnership: Northern Dynasty Ltd.,
Anglo American PLC, and Rio Tinto. Anglo American, a British mining firm, and Rio
Tinto, a mining firm based in the United Kingdom and Australia, are the two largest hard
rock mining conglomerates in the world and operate in over 60 countries. I relied on a
scholarly analysis of Dr. Saleem Ali to establish the history of these firms. Dr. Ali is a
Professor at the University of Vermont specializing in mining impacts on indigenous
populations…”
Thats how its done asshopper
Also, in PDF
( Link to follow)
“Bristol Bay, Alaska is home to the largest sockeye salmon fishery in the world
1
.
As a result, the area is very important to the local indigenous peoples, Yup’ik Eskimo’s,
Denaina Athabascans, Aleuts and Alutiiqs who have lived in the area for thousands of
years and continue to depend on the bay’s renewable resources for subsistence, lifestyle
and commercial uses. In 1986, a mining conglomerate that calls itself the Pebble
Partnership began to discover the minerals in what today is expected to be the largest
copper and second largest gold mine deposits in North America, and possibly one of the
largest in the world. This paper analyzes whether The Pebble Partnership and
government regulatory regimes are properly addressing the environmental health and
justice concerns of the indigenous peoples of Bristol Bay, including potential impacts of
mining operations on air and water quality, water supply, aquatic life and the welfare of
the indigenous people. Further, this paper analyzes whether stakeholders and the media
are considering indigenous concerns. I conclude that environmental justice concerns are
largely being met by the Pebble Partnership as well as by the federal, state and local
agencies responsible for permitting. “…..
(This research is almost 4 years old)
Theres more, heres just a taste.
“Methods
To answer these questions, I conducted a media analysis of Anchorage Daily
News articles focusing on the Pebble Mine since July 20, 2004. The Anchorage Daily
News is Alaska’s largest and only statewide newspaper, read by over 171,000 people
throughout the state each day
2
. It is read by voters, lawmakers and others who are
stakeholders or potential stakeholders in the Pebble Mine debate. This analysis was used
to see how each of the potential stakeholders is being covered in the outlet, and to
analyze how the issue is being framed by the state media. Mostly, I wanted to see if
indigenous concerns were being covered. I analyzed the newspaper for articles that
covered the Pebble Mine’s potential impacts on subsistence resources, wildlife and
drinking water resources, and potential socioeconomic impacts on the local indigenous
population such as job opportunities and revenue issues.
2
“Anchorage Daily News.” 2008. The McClatchy Company. February 12, 2008.
4
I also evaluated the regulatory and permitting processes of the Federal, State, and
Local governments. This was done by looking at the different permits and approvals that
the Pebble Partnership has to obtain from the various agencies and departments of the
three levels of government through a wide variety of environmental and safety laws.
Specifically, I analyzed if these permits and approvals would strive to protect the
resources that Bristol Bay indigenous people depend on to continue their cultural
traditions and subsistence livelihoods.
I also evaluated the environmental compliance and human rights records for each
of the mining companies involved with the Pebble Partnership: Northern Dynasty Ltd.,
Anglo American PLC, and Rio Tinto. Anglo American, a British mining firm, and Rio
Tinto, a mining firm based in the United Kingdom and Australia, are the two largest hard
rock mining conglomerates in the world and operate in over 60 countries. I relied on a
scholarly analysis of Dr. Saleem Ali to establish the history of these firms. Dr. Ali is a
Professor at the University of Vermont specializing in mining impacts on indigenous
populations…”
Thats how its done asshopper
http://envstudies.brown.edu/theses/archive20072008/VernerWilsonThesis.pdf
Seems illegal as hell.
Anyone should be able to participate in the raffle, but is there a purchase necessary to get your name on the list ? Is your name submitted automatically ? What if I just want the reel ?
http://royalcoachmanlodge.com/
“Help Save Bristol Bay! Buy a raffle ticket for an Abel Reel.
Help us protect one of the last great salmon runs in the world by buying a raffle ticket for a free Abel Reel. We will be doing a drawing in mid November, and we have 30 tickets left (we have donated a 5n and 8n reels). Each ticket costs $20 and is a 100% donation to Trout Unlimited’s efforts to stop the Pebble Mine.
Save Bristol Bay and Stop the Pebble Mine!
Email Pat at pat@sweetwatertravel.com to buy a ticket. ”
They’re not very smart.
The guys at ACORN would do it for a cigarette
Cyanide, heavy metals and acid drainage are common water pollutants for mineral
operations, which are very dangerous to fish and other wildlife. The U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency has concluded that mining operations have contaminated up to 40
percent of all headwaters in the Western continental United States
24
. As one of the
largest minerals found near the proposed Pebble Mine, copper extraction can be
environmentally damaging. The amount of raw material to marketable material is
particularly high due to the low percentage of metal in the ore and to the mining methods
and processes that must be used. Copper tailings, dump and heap leach wastes and waste
rock/overburden are three different forms of copper waste
25
. This means that there is
likely to be much waste rock that will result from copper development at Pebble Mine.
Research shows that salmon are highly sensitive to small amounts of metals. This data
shows that just a small amount of copper can highly impact the olfactory functions, or
sense of smell, in salmon. These functions are very important for their reproductive and
migratory purposes
26
.
This is from Pricky’s own link. Hmmmmmm
Pricky thinks that if you crap enough into a tub of water, the water will be muddied enough that no one can see thru the water and he can claim victory.
Tommy Tom – please stick to making your argument and refrain from name calling and cussing excessively. I feel sure both you and Micky can hold your own in a DEBATE (as opposed to argument) without having to resort to name-calling and disrespectful banter. As we all know, people resort to name calling when they are losing a rational argument. I’m sure your wouldn’t want that to be said of you.
“Pricky thinks that if you crap enough into a tub of water, the water will be muddied enough that no one can see thru the water and he can claim victory.”
Yeah, but what you seem to forget is that with all studies findings concluded the finding was that mining would be of no consequential harm to the bay or its indigenous residents.
Its not crap, its crap only to you because you actually have to focus on the data, process it, and do the process of elimination that renders either more positives or negatives to which you base your decision on.
These trials and re-enactments/studies have been going on for twenty years now.
I think the judge has enough material to make an intelligent fair decision by now.
Because honestly, if you cant see thru the few sources I gave you the judge has to be a genius with X-ray vision because he saw thru twenty years of what you call a tub of water.
Maybe you should change your bath water ?
I tried to bring this to you in as fair a light as possible.
I gave you sources findings from a corporate perspective and that of an environmentalist who’d done his homework for at least 4 years, on top of clarifying for you that the “exploration” actually consists of the studies needed to determine ecological viability.
The scam here may not be anything more than your typical hypersensitive environmentalist who thinks man is earths enemy in search of his worldly pleasures regardless of the ramifications and collateral damage to future generations.
These folks are usually of the flower power 60s mentality that never realized how hypocritical they were as their needs result in reaping the earths benefits just as much as anyone else…bongs need petroleum based products to be manufactured also, as well as their cars, their technology, -pods, computers etc, require copper, nickle, silver and plastics.
But thats just the start.
These people are no more interested in saving the planet than a dung beetle.
Environmentalism is simply re-packaged Marxism (says the founder of Greenpeace) designed to structure society by using green thought as the new ethic/moral.
Everything in your life will be dictated to by an environmentalist creed.
How many children you have.
The most eco friendly foods.
Socialized medicine ? Means they can dictate your diet.
Where you live, what you can and cant grow, basic activities that give off too much carbon, and on and on.
No my friend.
Its not dirty bath water. You wish it were so simple.
Its a movement thats been underway for decades and is slowly taking our basic liberties away all in the disguise of love for the earth.
And dont forget the money.
Who profits when you job czar is the ex CEO of GE who makes all that energy efficient earth friendly appliances on one end and a majority of the earths stealth weapons technology on another end ? ?
I have no evidence but my past tells me that the richest man in Alaska whos helping to push this movement more than likely has an investment of some sort of similar materials somewhere else outside the US because any fool knows these specific materials are going to be more in demand as time and technology moves forward.
I simply think he’d rather sht in China than Alaska where its much much easier to circumvent environmental regulations, if China even has such a thing.
nite
Oh, I almost forgot, we have to clear up your sophomoric cherry picking.
“Cyanide, heavy metals and acid drainage are common water pollutants for mineral
operations, which are very dangerous to fish and other wildlife. The U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency has concluded that mining operations have contaminated up to 40
percent of all headwaters in the Western continental United States
24
As one of the
largest minerals found near the proposed Pebble Mine, copper extraction can be
environmentally damaging. The amount of raw material to marketable material is
particularly high due to the low percentage of metal in the ore and to the mining methods
and processes that must be used. Copper tailings, dump and heap leach wastes and waste
rock/overburden are three different forms of copper waste
25
. This means that there is
likely to be much waste rock that will result from copper development at Pebble Mine.
Research shows that salmon are highly sensitive to small amounts of metals. This data
shows that just a small amount of copper can highly impact the olfactory functions, or
sense of smell, in salmon. These functions are very important for their reproductive and
migratory purposes
26
Seems you forgot to take into consideration the mans basic findings which announces in the very first paragraph
” I conclude that environmental justice concerns are
largely being met by the Pebble Partnership as well as by the federal, state and local
agencies responsible for permitting. “…..
Kay Tom ?
Go play your little kiddie games somewhere else if you’re not going to be honest
Oh widdle Pwickey, cause you said so there won’t be any pollution at this mine!
Way to go Pwickey!
You’re not very good at this.
At first I was going to offer you the benefit of the doubt by placing a question mark at the end that statement,
Is this what would happen at Bristol Bay Tom ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg57cxweYxc&feature=email
Aw pwickey, of course anyone not a right wing brainwashed republican is lesser and always wrong. you are so wise, are you the second coming?
LOL Micky – that startled the cr-p out of me! lol
“Aw pwickey, of course anyone not a right wing brainwashed republican is lesser and always wrong. you are so wise, are you the second coming?”
Elmer Fudd always loses, remember ?
Or are you idolizing Barney Frank ? Thilly bitch
Tommy – do you have an argument or are you just into insulting?
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